Stranger Things co-creator Matt Duffer confirmed that the show’s upcoming fifth season won’t run as long as the fourth.

In an interview with the Happy Sad Confused podcast, Duffer explained that season 4 needs a lot of backstory, so it needs more episodes. “The only reason we don’t expect it to be that long is that if you look closely, it takes almost two hours for our kids to really get into this supernatural mystery,” he said. “You’ll get to know them, you’ll see How they’re doing in life, what they’re struggling with, adjusting to high school, etc. Steve is trying to find a date, all that. The first two episodes of [Season 5] obviously don’t happen.”

He added that they left a suspense at the end of season 4, so fans can expect all the action in the next season to “go very fast,” adding, “The characters are already moving, they’ve got goals and drives, I Think it’s going to take at least a few hours and make this season feel very different. I’m sure the summary will be longer, it’s going to be The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, with eight endings.”

In another interview, he also revealed that the entirety of Season 5 will take place at Hawkins. “We wanted to go back to a lot of what we did in Season 1,” he told EW. “We did a lot of original grouping and pairings in Season 1 – the full loop has some benefits.”

Another creator and brother, Ross Duffer, added that they are still working on the script for the final season, Season 4, Volume 1. 2 premieres on Netflix. “As a writer, it’s dangerous to write for hours without knowing where you’re going,” he said. “I’d rather have the journey in the middle a little fuzzy and fuzzy.”

He continued, “But as long as you know where the destination is, it will make it clear to you. Like a beacon in the distance…While most of Season 5 is actually very vague, the last 30 minutes are in our minds It’s very clear in the middle. So if we can make the journey interesting, I think we’ll hopefully have a satisfying ending. You can’t please everyone, but hopefully it’s something that fits the story.”

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